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Post subject: The Chronology of Ed's baby
 Posted: Mar 15, 2012 - 07:08 PM
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Ok I'm such a dweeb... I just created a Visio time lining the transformation of Ed's baby from day 1 to what I think is present. I apologize for this being a duplicate thread. I figure this puts it in better order than posting tons of pics, which everyone is more than welcome to do of course 
I know for a fact there are some things missing here, which I point out in some of my little notes, and I probably have a few things out of order. This is just my take on it This is totally up for collaboration. Please feel free to fill in the blanks, make additions and correct me with my little tidbits of what I think is knowledge LOL. I can't attach my Visio file because it's too big. PM me your email address if you want it. |
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Post subject: RE: The Chronology of Ed
Posted: Mar 15, 2012 - 10:23 PM
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| Really cool! The only thing is, I think you have frames three and four in the timeline backwards. I don't think he went from the maple neck back to rosewood there, I think he went from rosewood and no pin stripes to maple and pin stripes. Other than that, I think you have the chronology down. |
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Posted: Mar 16, 2012 - 12:02 AM
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pretty cool! A few comments/corrections:
the first two frames are very controversial. not sure you can set that in stone.
quarter was installed one frame prior, tail side up, then flipped later.
US festival was 1983.
slide 7 and 8 have two different pick guards.
current cig burn neck first appeared around the time of the Kramer factory visit (see attached)
I'm sure there are more details. we could write a book (much needed...) |
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Posted: Mar 16, 2012 - 12:20 AM
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| The Kramer Baretta neck is not a Kramer Baretta neck - is not a Kramer neck at all, but is in fact a custom-made neck made to look like a Kramer neck... Tom Anderson's shop did that. |
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Post subject: Re: RE: The Chronology of Ed
Posted: Mar 16, 2012 - 12:29 AM
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Ya know I"m torn on this one. What you said is how I always thought. But I actually read somewhere on this forum where it went rosewood, then maple and back to rosewood briefly before painting red. But that doesnt make sense 100%. There aren't too many pics out there of the B&W and rosewood... I'm trying to find something else in the pics that date itself better. Overall I'm siding with what you said though.
allenc5150 wrote:
Really cool! The only thing is, I think you have frames three and four in the timeline backwards. I don't think he went from the maple neck back to rosewood there, I think he went from rosewood and no pin stripes to maple and pin stripes. Other than that, I think you have the chronology down.
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Posted: Mar 16, 2012 - 12:32 AM
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Ah interesting... I didn't know that was an Anderson neck. Good to know!
Steve_U1S wrote:
The Kramer Baretta neck is not a Kramer Baretta neck - is not a Kramer neck at all, but is in fact a custom-made neck made to look like a Kramer neck... Tom Anderson's shop did that.
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Posted: Mar 16, 2012 - 12:38 AM
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Oh mistake on my part with the "new and final pickguard" comment in slide 9... it's supposed to be in slide 8 ad you said. (I did a lot of copy n pasting in this visio oops!) I'll correct that!
Yes the first two pics can be argued but I'm convinced and so are others. I suppose Ed's the only one who can confirm that and he's killed many brain cells since those days LOL
And you're right about the quarter in 1 frame prior. I'll correct that too.
Yea I suppose we all know more about this guitar than Ed can recall!
YMI5150? wrote:
pretty cool! A few comments/corrections:
the first two frames are very controversial. not sure you can set that in stone.
quarter was installed one frame prior, tail side up, then flipped later.
US festival was 1983.
slide 7 and 8 have two different pick guards.
current cig burn neck first appeared around the time of the Kramer factory visit (see attached)
I'm sure there are more details. we could write a book (much needed...)
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Post subject: Re: RE: The Chronology of Ed
Posted: Mar 16, 2012 - 04:13 AM
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allenc5150 wrote:
Really cool! The only thing is, I think you have frames three and four in the timeline backwards. I don't think he went from the maple neck back to rosewood there, I think he went from rosewood and no pin stripes to maple and pin stripes.
No, maple w/pin stripes to rosewood without is correct.
Aside from what mentioned by above by Kevin and Steve:
-Frame #3 should be 1976 to 1978.
-Frame #7 is not the "completley sanded" VH II neck. It's another BB neck that was first installed on the Charvel VH II...
-Frame #10 is actually the neck that's on the Franky today...
That very same neck was also installed on both the Rasta in 1982...
... and the Unchained in 1981...
... but no surprise there since they are the same guitar!
Ed also installed the 22 fret Kramer Strat headstock neck during the Diver Down tour...
...note that the logo has been sanded off.
allenc5150 wrote:
Other than that, I think you have the chronology down.
"A" for effort for sure!... definitely not an easy task to undertake as the history of the Franky's necks is complicated and confusing,... but there are a few twists and turns that were missed... like this one from 1979!:
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Posted: Mar 16, 2012 - 06:05 AM
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| Great effort on the timeline and great responses. Fascinating stuff to read. Thanks to all. |
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Posted: Mar 16, 2012 - 07:17 AM
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I honestly dont think the sunburst strat is Franky; just look at the exposed wood on it.
Think about it:
if that 'burst strat had any kind of finish, then for Eddie to paint it black and white, then on top of that red a couple years later, and to get that kind of bare wood exposure without the paint being heavily flaked or chipped off, particularly in the forearm cut area inside the black stripes and near the jack
For paint to wear off like that , for such small areas, no matter how much repeat use, if that was indeed the 'burst strat then the finish and original paint was VERY thin.
Even the parts where the paint is flaked or chipped off, again, if there was a burst finish underneath + finish, then the top coats of white/black/red would chip off first, wouldnt we'd get to see SOME of the original paint underneath all that? Because i doubt Eddie applied multiple coats of black, white or red, it wears off too easy. You can see though the red and see the black stripes!
Plus the fact you can see the wood grain texture even with all that paint on it.
Ed doesnt seem like the kind of guy that would sand off the original paint + finish and repaint it.
Put me down in the he bought it at Boogie Bodies without paint camp |
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Posted: Mar 16, 2012 - 01:03 PM
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Here's a pictorial history of the sequence of necks that were installed and re-installed on the Franky:
1978
1979
(note the tape over Charvel logo)
1980
(note that the Charvel logo is visible on the headstock!)
1981
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Posted: Mar 16, 2012 - 01:18 PM
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1982
This is the same, 21 fret, sqiuared-heeled neck that's currently on the Franky...
Kramer Strat headstock...
1983
"Starfleet" sessions...
"US Festival"
1985-93
Tom Anderson built hockeystick neck...
1997 to Present
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Posted: Mar 16, 2012 - 01:53 PM
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ECruz wrote:
I honestly dont think the sunburst strat is Franky; just look at the exposed wood on it...
...Ed doesnt seem like the kind of guy that would sand off the original paint + finish and repaint it.
And yet, he may have done exactly that...
Remember that when Ed bought the body, he would have had the benefit of Wayne Charvel's advice and experience on how to properly prep the body for refinishing before he painted it black. There's also a possiblity that a Charvel employee did it for Ed.
ECruz wrote:
Put me down in the he bought it at Boogie Bodies without paint camp
There is no conclusive proof that the Sunburst is the Franky, but Tom Anderson has said that it was a Charvel body that was cut using Dave Schecter's templates. Boogie Bodies was not yet making bodies at this point. |
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Post subject: Re: RE: The Chronology of Ed
Posted: Mar 16, 2012 - 01:59 PM
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jimi1647 wrote:
No, maple w/pin stripes to rosewood without is correct.
It's good having that confirmation, thanks. Like I said... I've been torn since I saw discussions in this very same forum. I've always looked at their clothes, hair, whatever I can to date pics I have of the non-pinstripes.
jimi1647 wrote:
-Frame #3 should be 1976 to 1978.
Thanks for the correction.
jimi1647 wrote:
-Frame #7 is not the "completley sanded" VH II neck. It's another BB neck that was first installed on the Charvel VH II...
I've always wondered what the origins of this neck was. Yes... I recall seeing both the VHII charvel with this neck in the same 1979 group guitar pic (the one Ed's holding the pick axe) as the snake mounted with the black headstock Charvel neck.
jimi1647 wrote:
but there are a few twists and turns that were missed... like this one from 1979!:
I've never seen that pic before LOL This must have been just after removing the white pickguard and doing electrical tape in the control cavity and just before installing the VHII Charvel neck. I'll add this to the timeline!
jimi1647 wrote:
Ed also installed the 22 fret Kramer Strat headstock neck during the Diver Down tour...
In Frame #10 I was partially right in thinking this was either a Charvel or Kramer. Good to know its Kramer. I'm now wondering if this is the same neck that was installed on the purple Kramer that Ed soon did multi-color tape on:
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Posted: Mar 16, 2012 - 02:14 PM
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E CRUZ I AM WITH YOU !!! SEE I PAINT CARS AND EVERYTHING ELSE FOR A LIVING!!! IF THAT WAS THE SUNBURST THEN WHY ARE THE WARE MARKS TO THE WOOD???? SORRY GUYS IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN !!!! KNOW WAY HE WORE THRU RED ,WHITE,BLACK ,FACTORY CLEAR COAT,SUNBURST PAINT JOB TO BARE WOOD!!! UNLESS HE HAS SOME KIND OF CRAZY ACID IN HIS BODY!!!! BODIES FROM THE FACTORY ARE GRAIN FILLED PAINTED COLOR THEN HEAVY COATS OF CLEAR ARE SHOT OVER THE TOP!!! ABOUT 3 MIL OF CLEAR WITCH IS PRETTY THICK!!!!THEN TO ADD BLACK,WHITE,RED OVER THE TOP!!! NO POSSIBLE WAY YOU ARE GOING TO WARE THRU ALL THOSE STAGES SMOOTHLY TO BARE WOOD!!!! NOW IF IT WAS THE SUNBURST PER SAY WHEN HE WORE THRU THE RED ,WHITE , AND BLACK YOU WOULD SEE SUNBURST UNDERNEATH!!!!! THE SUNBURST IS DONE IN THE MIDDLE WITH STAIN THEY SHOOT BLACK AROUND THE OUTER EDGE TO CREATE A LOOK LIKE ITS BLENDED WITH THE WOOD!!!! THEN CLEAR COAT THE HECK OUT OF IT ABOUT THREE COATS OF CLEAR WITCH IS ABOUT 3 ML THICK!!!!! AND MY FRIENDS WE KNOW ED DID NOT SAND IT TO BARE WOOD AND START FROM SCRATCH !!!!SO THAT"S MY TAKE ON IT TAKE IT FOR WHAT ITS WORTH!!!! LIKE I SAID I PAINT FOR A LIVING AND EVEN WHEN A FENDER ON YOUR CAR HAS BEEN RE PAINTED ALL WE DO IS FIX WHAT NEEDS FIXING SCUFF THE REST OF THE PANEL SHOOT BASE ON IT THEN CLEAR COAT IT !!!! IF IT EVER GOT CHIPPED OR SCRATCHED OR A ROCK HITS IT AND TAKES IT RIGHT TO BARE METAL !!!!YOU WOULD STILL SEE THE ALL THE COLORS AROUND THAT CHUNK MISSING !!!YOU MOST ABSOLUTELY WILL SEE ALL THE LAYERS OF PAINT  |
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